POST 08 - THE GREAT D. J. DAN INTERNET BROADCAST ANALYSIS
We hadn’t stayed up that late listening to the radio since Wolfman Jack signed off the air. D. J. Dan’s rant went on for two long hours. The only real response we’ve seen to the broadcast involved a glyph chase or two…we think there was more to it than two-hours of mindless babble.
DJ Dan Live! One More Time
We have no idea who D.J. Dan really is. Is he Peter Thompson? He says he isn’t.
Top Five D. J. Dan Misconceptions
1. D. J. Dan is not Javier Grillo-Marxuach
2. D. J. Dan is not Speaker
3. D. J. Dan is not the other D. J. Dan (Daniel Wherrett)
4. D. J. Dan is not an employee of the Hanso Foundation
5. D. J. Dan is not Peter Thompson
First, in our opinion, D. J. Dan IS Javier Grillo-Marxuach. There was too much protesting going on every time Javier was mentioned. (Recalling our Shakespeare, D. J. Dan “…protests too much, methinks!”) There were at least three mentions of Javier in the podcast and each time D. J. Dan made fun of him. We think he was laughing at himself. This is commendable, to say the least, but still attempting to keep people off the scent. The most telling point though was when D. J. Dan said that he picked up a copy of The Middle Man at Comic-Con. He called it a great book. This is the love-child comic book of Javier Grillo-Marxuach and one of the main reasons he’s leaving Lost.
But as we say, we don’t know for sure, and then D. J. Dan complicated matters himself by telling us…jokingly…during the broadcast that “I’m lying to you through my teeth.”
Truer words were never spoken…at least not by D. J. Dan.
For one thing, we know the live broadcast was rehearsed because the rehearsal was broadcast. And during the show, Dan himself refers to his scripted spontaneity:
Transcript:
“D. J. Dan: Well, like I said, what happened was that guy threatened me on the line, I shut him down, O.K., however, um, soon thereafter I found myself being stalked by members of the Hanso Foundation and you can tell ‘cause they wear those lime-green overcoats are all over the damn place, O.K.? Anyway, we went underground and, as I explained in a big monologue that was actually written down for me earlier this week, uh, we went out, we were out there, getting into adventures, we were out there in the underground.
Then there was Malik’s code—240, 249, 68, 61, 37, 118, 75, 233, 231, 150, 36, 184, 157, 51, 144, 180, 253, 50, 173, 30, 222, 192, 13, 82 and 1—solved by Fenris and friends practically the moment the numbers were broadcast. Fenris, you’ll recall, was one of the few “callers” to get “on the air.”
Why does it matter? If the broadcast was pointedly scripted and rehearsed, we shouldn’t assume it was all a mistake. TPTB are continually finding ways to explain to us that Lost is a fiction sponsored by The Hanso Foundation. We think this is evidence that The Lost Experience is a fiction, too, one we can only assume is sponsored by The Hanso Foundation.
It also means that everything in the program was there for a reason because the “cast” was following a script. We think the subjects, songs and slip ups are all offering clues…like this one…
ConspiraSpy of the Year: Rachel Blake
Rachel Blake named ConspiraSpy of the year by D. J. Dan. Look for this soon on the D. J. Dan website. However, right at the beginning of the broadcast, D. J. Dan makes a “slip of the tongue” and says that Persephone is his nemesis... then laughs and corrects himself to say The Hanso Foundation. He also says, much later on, “Now all of a sudden this woman Persephone, a.k.a., Rachel Blake, in my opinion....” Doesn't seem like such a sure thing after all that Rachel Blake is Persephone or that D. J. Dan is on her side.
If not Persephone, then who?
Does this sound as if it were following a script?
Transcript:
Peter: I was wondering if you had an opinion on where Rachel's mum is. Is she still alive?
D. J. Dan: Rachel's mother. Hmm... That’s interesting because I've been getting a lot of questions about Rachel Blake's mother. Is she still alive? You know what? The fact is, there is no information out there about Rachel. What do you think about Rachel's mother? Do you think she's still alive?
Peter: Can anybody hear me?
D. J. Dan: Yes, we can hear you; we're hearing you right now. Peter, are you there? Folks, we seem to be losing the...
Tonya sings "Peter, can you hear me?" (To the tune "Tommy" by the Who.)
Peter: (unintelligible)
D. J. Dan: Well, folks, we're gonna talk about whether Rachel's mom is alive. But, Peter, I wanna know what your opinion is on Rachel's mom. Do you think she's alive? Folks? Folks, we're losing the signal, folks. I’m sorry Peter I'm gonna have to shut you down. Shutdown! Let's talk about Rachel's mom. I don't know where Rachel's mom is. I don't know that Rachel knows where Rachel's mom is, she's a mystery character, she's shrouded in secrecy. But then again, so is Rachel's father. Huh? That's all I'm saying. As in, "Rachel, I am your father." (In Darth Vader voice) That's right folks. You know what, you know what folks, I'm feeling frisky. Let's take another call. Tonya, who you got for me?”
Was D.J. Dan telling us outright that Alvar Hanso was Rachel Blake’s father? He seems to be implying it here with the Darth Vader style, “I am your father!” (Vader is the Dutch word for father, by the way…more on the Dutch TK)
Later on, this banter:
Transcript:
“Alex: Well, you saw the thing at Comic-Con, right?
D. J. Dan: Absolutely, I was there in the audience, I had a copy of The Middle Man, it's a great book. So tell me.
Alex: Yes, did you notice that she said she's living proof of Alvar Hanso?
D. J. Dan: That she is living proof? I think she's living proof, that all of the things that are in that fictional narrative of "Lost" are actually real and that it's all going on in our world as we speak, and that those people are taking blood money, I don't know if that meant anything other than that. But look, if I knew that one of the top rated shows in television was advocating the cost of my sworn nemesis…
Announcer (Johnny): (Ominous music) The Hanso Foundation. (Whispering)
D. J. Dan: I'd be up at Comic-Con talking back to those guys as well, I don't know that that means she has any kind of connection to it, I just think she was there because she's galvanized against evil to, see the way… Do you agree?
Alex: Well, yeah but… There's got to be something, she mentioned her mother, and she mentioned a Widmore severance package [and the only kind of benefits we at the AC believe this refers to are death benefits after her mom was permanently retired] Everyone knows that Widmore and Hanso, there's something on between them. Mittelwerk and Hanso…
D. J. Dan: Well, everybody knows that Widmore and Hanso are connected, we also know that Widmore, that Widmore, Hanso and Paik are connected, I mean, we've all read that incredible, uh, non-fiction book Bad Twin haven't we?
Alex: Uh, yeah.”
Maybe she’s related to Keith Strutter: Progenitor #1 & #2
The broadcast was the very first time that a member of the band Geronimo Jackson was mentioned—naming Keith Strutter as the founder and a member of the group first mentioned on the Hanso Foundation phone message. He also stated that Stutter’s first band was called “The Karma Imperative.” This could also be backpedaling for the mistake made during the 7/10/06 podcast in which D.J. Dan confused the DHARMA Initiative with the Karma Imperative.
FYI: pro·gen·i·tor (prō-jĕn'ĭ-tor) n.
A direct ancestor. See synonyms at ancestor.
An originator of a line of descent; a precursor.
An originator; a founder: progenitors of the new music.
In Dutch, Voovader
Transcript:
“Speaker: I was just wondering about this Spider Protocol, what do you know about it, could it be some sort of boy band? What could it be?
D. J. Dan: Spider Protocol, the boy band, that’s very exciting.
Tonya: (Singing) Bye, bye, bye…
D. J. Dan: That’s right, that’s right. You know, Speaker, um, you know, Spider Protocol…The word… What do you think? Do you think it’s an acronym? Do you think it’s talking about real spiders…
Speaker: I think it sounds like the Alan Parson’s Project to me…
D. J. Dan: The Alan Par--Oh wow, the finest progrog-band of the 70s and 80s… WOW…. The Alan Parson’s Project…
Speaker: Was this like the progenitor to Geronimo Jackson? I mean is this…
D. J. Dan: Now actually, wait a minute, wait a minute… First of all, Geronimo Jackson’s a progenitor to Alan Parsons… Geronimo Jackson was the 60s, O.K.… Keith Strutter started the band in the 60’s alright. So let’s not get him and Alan P… Like Alan Parsons was running tape for the Beatles when Keith Strutter started Geronimo Jackson. That’s what I’m saying. So O.K., um, Spider Protocol… O.K., you know what… you ever see that movie Wild, Wild West, with the spider-shaped robot, I sometimes just think Alvar Hanso just has one of those big spider robots that he’s going to take over the world with, am I right?”
Alvar Hanso, Progenitor #3
Later in the Live! broadcast, it is Alvar Hanso who is the progenitor…but not of Rachel Blake.
Transcript:
“Rara Simeena.: Um, actually I was wondering what you thought about the video fragment we got yesterday with the guy who was supposedly Alvar Hanso?
D. J. Dan: Now wait a minute… here's what I want to know. How do you know that guy’s Alvar Hanso? What makes you think that guy’s Alvar Hanso?
Rara Simeena: Personally, I do not think he is, but a lot of people on the internet are saying he is saying he is.
D. J. Dan: All right now, what makes you think that it's not Alvar Hanso? My feeling is that I think that he's probably some progenitor of the DeGroots. That's my personal theory. Why do you not think that he's Alvar Hanso?
Rara Simeena: I don't think he is just because of the picture we previously got of him from the U.N. council, from 1967...
D. J. Dan: Yeah, bit of a Dirk square-jawed in that picture, wasn't he?
Rara Simeena: Right.
D. J. Dan: Uh ha, The guy in the video, he looks kinda soft, kinda, kinda soft around the chin, doesn't he?
Rara Simeena: Yes, he does.
D. J. Dan: O.K., is that the sole basis of your theory?
Rara Simeena: Partly, and I just don't think that Alvar would be on the orientation videos himself.
D. J. Dan: Why do you think that Alvar wouldn't do that for himself? That's very interesting.
Rara Simeena: I just think he's too secretive to come out in the open like that.
D. J. Dan: Well that raises a very interesting question… Do you think Alvar is secretive or do you think that maybe someone is hiding him?
Rara Simeena: Actually, it could be either way.”
Simeena might be on to the Great Man
D. J. Dan also introduced a new theory called “The Great Man Theory,” which tries to explain history by the effect of "Great men," or heroes who are highly influential individuals, from personal charisma, genius intellects, or great political impact. This theory is often attributed to Thomas Carlyle.
He might also have been referring to this: According to LostPedia: Magnus Hanso's name gives us reason to suspect a link between Hanso and the DeGroots: through Albertus Magnus, the German philosopher. Interestingly, Magnus's surname is a Latin form of the surname de Groot (both mean "the great" in their respective languages: Latin & Dutch). Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, being the discoverer of the Philosopher's Stone (which would explain the Life Extension Project and the creator of a supernatural device).
Or Enzo Valenzetti, The Great?
Transcript:
“Christian: Yeah, tell me about it. What do you think of the rumors that Enzo Valenzetti himself may still be alive and well?
D. J. Dan: Well, you know, it’s interesting that you bring that up. I mean… do you think Valenzetti’s alive?
Christian: It’s possible. I mean, no one saw him die, no one saw him take a bullet.
D. J. Dan: It’s very interesting, you know, because Valenzetti has more death stories surrounding him than… well, I mean, I don’t know who. He’s like the Enrico Caruso (This comment makes no particular sense because Caruso does not have secrets or mystery or multiple death stories in his biography. He was, however, known as The Great Caruso, his name synonymous with greatness. Could be another reference to The Great Man. AC) of a, of a, of a, enigmatic Italian mathematicians. Let me tell you about Valenzetti, O.K., Valenzetti in the 60s was rumored to have died in a plane crash, alright. In a serious plane… He filed no flight plans, right? And somewhere over the Alpinees, boom, he’s dead, am I right?
Christian: You’re right.
D. J. Dan: However, fewer people know that there’s a theory that he died in the 1970s of leukemia. That’s right, and there’s another theory that in the 1980s, he was caught in the wheels of a combine in his farm on the Swiss Alps. So, I mean, so it’s quite possible that he’s still alive. In fact, the other conspiracy theory on Valenzetti is that he is still alive and he is working for the Italian government. What do you think about that?
Christian: Um, I haven’t heard that one before, that’s interesting…
D. J. Dan: You never heard that… The thing is, the Italian government put a gag order on every one of Enzo Valenzetti’s personal papers, they have actually have not allowed them out—so, I generally believe that Enzo Valenzetti at the ripe old age of 80-god-knows-how-many-years-old-he-is is sitting in some classroom in Italy, writing on a whiteboard, figuring out stuff like the end of the world, which I don’t know what they do with it… hell, if I dunno what I’d do if I knew when the end of the world is, I’d probably just get a lot of doughnuts…that’s what I would do, just me, and a bunch of Berliners. That’s right, me in a wall bunker with doughnuts. That’s me, Alright dude… You know what… thank you for your call… You know what? Now that we’ve talked a little about Valenzetti, everyone knows that Valenzetti is somehow linked with my sworn nemesis…
Announcer (Johnny): (Ominous music)The Hanso Foundation. (Electronic voice)
D.J. Dan certainly wants us to believe that Enzo Valenzetti is dead. So much so, that he invents a number of ways in which he could have been killed. Is this to make us think that Enzo is dead so that when he is revealed as alive later on we’ll all be totally taken by surprise? I don’t know if Enzo Valenzetti is dead or not and it may not be important at all to the flow of the story but I think D.J. Dan spent an awful long time explaining that Enzo was dead!
The Spider Protocol
D.J. Dan, while talking to Speaker (live) stated that the Spider Protocol could be a number of things: a) A boy band, b) an acronym, c) real spiders or d) Wild Wild West evil robot spider (that want to take over the world).
LostPedia says that The Spider Protocol is a classified project of the Hanso Foundation, seemingly being headed by Thomas Mittelwerk.
Perhaps this has something to do with it?
From: http://shemesh.larc.nasa.gov/fm/spider/
“The Scalable Processor-Independent Design for Extended Reliability (SPIDER)
This project supports NASA's research in Autonomous Robust Avionics (AuRA) as part of the Vehicle Systems Program.
NASA Langley has been developing advanced fault-tolerant computing systems for over three decades, including the Software-Implemented Fault Tolerance (SIFT,1981), The Fault-Tolerant Multiprocessor (FTMP, 1981), Integrated Airframe/Propulsion Control System Architecture (IAPSA) (1990), Advanced Information Processing System (AIPS, 1991), and an architecture for the Fly-By-Light/Power-By-Wire (FBL/PBW) program. Our most recent fault-tolerant architecture is SPIDER.”
From the Hanso Foundation Call Center we also know that Geronimo Jackson’s first album was called Magna Carta, which is an anagram for Anagram Act. One possible anagram of Spider Protocol is Psi Red Protocol, which relates back to Ergot (see earlier post regarding St. Anthony’s Fire). Hey, we’re not making this up! Ergot appears as a red powder in milled flour…that’s why contaminated white flour can be thrown out, but the stuff goes undetected in darker rye grinds. Later in the broadcast, D. J. Dan talks to Marvin the guy in dreamland with the glyph…”the only red dust Marvin’s ever touched was the quarter panel of his mom’s 1984 silver Chevy Impala.” Also, according to D. J. Dan the dangerous substance of the day was Parsley? Ergot, like parsley, is a common weed and one more likely to end up in a donut.
The Playlist
There were five songs played during the intermissions of the Live Broadcast (hmm, five phases?). They were: “Ohio” by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, “For What It's Worth” by Buffalo Springfield, “Imagine” by John Lennon, “Redemption Song" by Bob Marley and The Wailers and “Rainy Day Woman # 12 & 35” by Bob Dylan.
The songs represent, in order:
1. “Ohio” - Protest, Governmental Control, Politics and Military Madness (Kent State massacre) Release date: May 4, 1970
”Ohio” Lyrics
2. “For What It’s Worth” Buffalo Springfield (also referenced during the broadcast: The Other Springfield—referencing The Simpson’s). Protest and Paranoia. Released in 1966
”For What It’s Worth” Lyrics
3. “Imagine” - Reflection and Spiritualism (Lennon was quoted as saying it was an anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic song, but because it's sugar-coated, it's accepted.") Nutopia, Mind Games, Green Card. Release date: September 9th, 1971
”Imagine” Lyrics
4. “Redemption Song” - Emancipation, Spiritualism and Redemption. Released in 1980
”Redemption Song” Lyrics
5. “Rainy Day Woman # 12 & 35” – Protest, Alienation and, um according to Dylan, mathematics. Released in 1966
”Rainy Day Woman” Lyrics
It’s possible to interpret those songs as the soundtrack for the Dharma Initiative. During the 60s, they are university researchers involved in experimental work that perhaps came to the interest of the government. One of the Dharma members—perhaps their leader, maybe Valenzetti, disappears and foul play is suspected. Paranoid and fearful, the Dharma decide to leave the world behind and carry out their mission by building an utopian society. Unfortunately, they find a corporate sponsor--The Hanso Foundation or Widmore? Paik?—who are nothing but a bunch of old pirates who turn their own research against them. It’s a fact they find out too late, when they become the victims of their benefactors… and everybody ends up stoned…meaning, dead.
A Time Warp?
Transcript:
“Unseen Presence: How can a television show about Flight 815 start the same night that Flight 815 actually crashed?
D. J. Dan: Shutdown! Folks, folks, I'm talkin’ M. C. Esher. I'm talkin’ Albert Einstein. I'm talking about Schrodinger's Cat, O.K. If you got to ask that question, what do you not know about? I'll tell you what you don't know about, M. C. Esher, Albert Einstein, and Schrodinger's Cat, and if you don't know what I'm talkin’ about, you don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about, and we don't understand each other. Do we understand each other? Let’s, let’s get another call. I’ve had enough of this.”
…. And later this:
“D. J. Dan: That's right, folks, random acts of Shutdown, possibly my favorite segment in the world. Heck, I would even shut myself down if it wouldn't cause rips in the space-time continuum. Schro-...Schrodinger's cat, folks. Schrodinger's cat. Time Cop, folks. Rent it, watch it, learn the splits, alright? Guys, if you’re fans of mine, which I know you are, then you know the drill. Random acts of Shutdown, caller who last the longest wins, and you all know the rules. As crater faces the distant thunder road, the only rule is that there are no rules. Caller one!”
Albert Einstein – Theory of Relativity
Schrodinger’s Cat – Cat in a box paradox
M. C. Escher – Fantastical, impossible optical illusional artist
Who is Andy?
I think a slip-up occurred in the podcast that literally no one caught. In a spontaneous discussion with Speaker, D. J. Dan inadvertently called Speaker, Andy! I know some would say he was saying “and he” but I know what I heard. He said, without a doubt the name “Andy.” And there was familiarity and a certain amount of care evident in the inflection of his voice. But who is Andy? I am not familiar enough with the insiders of LOST or TPTB. But make no mistake… this is an absolute identification of Speaker!
Transcript:
“Speaker: Yeah, well, I uh… I…
D. J. Dan: Andy. Speaker, come on, come on, give it to me, give it to me… “
DJ Dan Live! One More Time
We have no idea who D.J. Dan really is. Is he Peter Thompson? He says he isn’t.
Top Five D. J. Dan Misconceptions
1. D. J. Dan is not Javier Grillo-Marxuach
2. D. J. Dan is not Speaker
3. D. J. Dan is not the other D. J. Dan (Daniel Wherrett)
4. D. J. Dan is not an employee of the Hanso Foundation
5. D. J. Dan is not Peter Thompson
First, in our opinion, D. J. Dan IS Javier Grillo-Marxuach. There was too much protesting going on every time Javier was mentioned. (Recalling our Shakespeare, D. J. Dan “…protests too much, methinks!”) There were at least three mentions of Javier in the podcast and each time D. J. Dan made fun of him. We think he was laughing at himself. This is commendable, to say the least, but still attempting to keep people off the scent. The most telling point though was when D. J. Dan said that he picked up a copy of The Middle Man at Comic-Con. He called it a great book. This is the love-child comic book of Javier Grillo-Marxuach and one of the main reasons he’s leaving Lost.
But as we say, we don’t know for sure, and then D. J. Dan complicated matters himself by telling us…jokingly…during the broadcast that “I’m lying to you through my teeth.”
Truer words were never spoken…at least not by D. J. Dan.
For one thing, we know the live broadcast was rehearsed because the rehearsal was broadcast. And during the show, Dan himself refers to his scripted spontaneity:
Transcript:
“D. J. Dan: Well, like I said, what happened was that guy threatened me on the line, I shut him down, O.K., however, um, soon thereafter I found myself being stalked by members of the Hanso Foundation and you can tell ‘cause they wear those lime-green overcoats are all over the damn place, O.K.? Anyway, we went underground and, as I explained in a big monologue that was actually written down for me earlier this week, uh, we went out, we were out there, getting into adventures, we were out there in the underground.
Then there was Malik’s code—240, 249, 68, 61, 37, 118, 75, 233, 231, 150, 36, 184, 157, 51, 144, 180, 253, 50, 173, 30, 222, 192, 13, 82 and 1—solved by Fenris and friends practically the moment the numbers were broadcast. Fenris, you’ll recall, was one of the few “callers” to get “on the air.”
Why does it matter? If the broadcast was pointedly scripted and rehearsed, we shouldn’t assume it was all a mistake. TPTB are continually finding ways to explain to us that Lost is a fiction sponsored by The Hanso Foundation. We think this is evidence that The Lost Experience is a fiction, too, one we can only assume is sponsored by The Hanso Foundation.
It also means that everything in the program was there for a reason because the “cast” was following a script. We think the subjects, songs and slip ups are all offering clues…like this one…
ConspiraSpy of the Year: Rachel Blake
Rachel Blake named ConspiraSpy of the year by D. J. Dan. Look for this soon on the D. J. Dan website. However, right at the beginning of the broadcast, D. J. Dan makes a “slip of the tongue” and says that Persephone is his nemesis... then laughs and corrects himself to say The Hanso Foundation. He also says, much later on, “Now all of a sudden this woman Persephone, a.k.a., Rachel Blake, in my opinion....” Doesn't seem like such a sure thing after all that Rachel Blake is Persephone or that D. J. Dan is on her side.
If not Persephone, then who?
Does this sound as if it were following a script?
Transcript:
Peter: I was wondering if you had an opinion on where Rachel's mum is. Is she still alive?
D. J. Dan: Rachel's mother. Hmm... That’s interesting because I've been getting a lot of questions about Rachel Blake's mother. Is she still alive? You know what? The fact is, there is no information out there about Rachel. What do you think about Rachel's mother? Do you think she's still alive?
Peter: Can anybody hear me?
D. J. Dan: Yes, we can hear you; we're hearing you right now. Peter, are you there? Folks, we seem to be losing the...
Tonya sings "Peter, can you hear me?" (To the tune "Tommy" by the Who.)
Peter: (unintelligible)
D. J. Dan: Well, folks, we're gonna talk about whether Rachel's mom is alive. But, Peter, I wanna know what your opinion is on Rachel's mom. Do you think she's alive? Folks? Folks, we're losing the signal, folks. I’m sorry Peter I'm gonna have to shut you down. Shutdown! Let's talk about Rachel's mom. I don't know where Rachel's mom is. I don't know that Rachel knows where Rachel's mom is, she's a mystery character, she's shrouded in secrecy. But then again, so is Rachel's father. Huh? That's all I'm saying. As in, "Rachel, I am your father." (In Darth Vader voice) That's right folks. You know what, you know what folks, I'm feeling frisky. Let's take another call. Tonya, who you got for me?”
Was D.J. Dan telling us outright that Alvar Hanso was Rachel Blake’s father? He seems to be implying it here with the Darth Vader style, “I am your father!” (Vader is the Dutch word for father, by the way…more on the Dutch TK)
Later on, this banter:
Transcript:
“Alex: Well, you saw the thing at Comic-Con, right?
D. J. Dan: Absolutely, I was there in the audience, I had a copy of The Middle Man, it's a great book. So tell me.
Alex: Yes, did you notice that she said she's living proof of Alvar Hanso?
D. J. Dan: That she is living proof? I think she's living proof, that all of the things that are in that fictional narrative of "Lost" are actually real and that it's all going on in our world as we speak, and that those people are taking blood money, I don't know if that meant anything other than that. But look, if I knew that one of the top rated shows in television was advocating the cost of my sworn nemesis…
Announcer (Johnny): (Ominous music) The Hanso Foundation. (Whispering)
D. J. Dan: I'd be up at Comic-Con talking back to those guys as well, I don't know that that means she has any kind of connection to it, I just think she was there because she's galvanized against evil to, see the way… Do you agree?
Alex: Well, yeah but… There's got to be something, she mentioned her mother, and she mentioned a Widmore severance package [and the only kind of benefits we at the AC believe this refers to are death benefits after her mom was permanently retired] Everyone knows that Widmore and Hanso, there's something on between them. Mittelwerk and Hanso…
D. J. Dan: Well, everybody knows that Widmore and Hanso are connected, we also know that Widmore, that Widmore, Hanso and Paik are connected, I mean, we've all read that incredible, uh, non-fiction book Bad Twin haven't we?
Alex: Uh, yeah.”
Maybe she’s related to Keith Strutter: Progenitor #1 & #2
The broadcast was the very first time that a member of the band Geronimo Jackson was mentioned—naming Keith Strutter as the founder and a member of the group first mentioned on the Hanso Foundation phone message. He also stated that Stutter’s first band was called “The Karma Imperative.” This could also be backpedaling for the mistake made during the 7/10/06 podcast in which D.J. Dan confused the DHARMA Initiative with the Karma Imperative.
FYI: pro·gen·i·tor (prō-jĕn'ĭ-tor) n.
A direct ancestor. See synonyms at ancestor.
An originator of a line of descent; a precursor.
An originator; a founder: progenitors of the new music.
In Dutch, Voovader
Transcript:
“Speaker: I was just wondering about this Spider Protocol, what do you know about it, could it be some sort of boy band? What could it be?
D. J. Dan: Spider Protocol, the boy band, that’s very exciting.
Tonya: (Singing) Bye, bye, bye…
D. J. Dan: That’s right, that’s right. You know, Speaker, um, you know, Spider Protocol…The word… What do you think? Do you think it’s an acronym? Do you think it’s talking about real spiders…
Speaker: I think it sounds like the Alan Parson’s Project to me…
D. J. Dan: The Alan Par--Oh wow, the finest progrog-band of the 70s and 80s… WOW…. The Alan Parson’s Project…
Speaker: Was this like the progenitor to Geronimo Jackson? I mean is this…
D. J. Dan: Now actually, wait a minute, wait a minute… First of all, Geronimo Jackson’s a progenitor to Alan Parsons… Geronimo Jackson was the 60s, O.K.… Keith Strutter started the band in the 60’s alright. So let’s not get him and Alan P… Like Alan Parsons was running tape for the Beatles when Keith Strutter started Geronimo Jackson. That’s what I’m saying. So O.K., um, Spider Protocol… O.K., you know what… you ever see that movie Wild, Wild West, with the spider-shaped robot, I sometimes just think Alvar Hanso just has one of those big spider robots that he’s going to take over the world with, am I right?”
Alvar Hanso, Progenitor #3
Later in the Live! broadcast, it is Alvar Hanso who is the progenitor…but not of Rachel Blake.
Transcript:
“Rara Simeena.: Um, actually I was wondering what you thought about the video fragment we got yesterday with the guy who was supposedly Alvar Hanso?
D. J. Dan: Now wait a minute… here's what I want to know. How do you know that guy’s Alvar Hanso? What makes you think that guy’s Alvar Hanso?
Rara Simeena: Personally, I do not think he is, but a lot of people on the internet are saying he is saying he is.
D. J. Dan: All right now, what makes you think that it's not Alvar Hanso? My feeling is that I think that he's probably some progenitor of the DeGroots. That's my personal theory. Why do you not think that he's Alvar Hanso?
Rara Simeena: I don't think he is just because of the picture we previously got of him from the U.N. council, from 1967...
D. J. Dan: Yeah, bit of a Dirk square-jawed in that picture, wasn't he?
Rara Simeena: Right.
D. J. Dan: Uh ha, The guy in the video, he looks kinda soft, kinda, kinda soft around the chin, doesn't he?
Rara Simeena: Yes, he does.
D. J. Dan: O.K., is that the sole basis of your theory?
Rara Simeena: Partly, and I just don't think that Alvar would be on the orientation videos himself.
D. J. Dan: Why do you think that Alvar wouldn't do that for himself? That's very interesting.
Rara Simeena: I just think he's too secretive to come out in the open like that.
D. J. Dan: Well that raises a very interesting question… Do you think Alvar is secretive or do you think that maybe someone is hiding him?
Rara Simeena: Actually, it could be either way.”
Simeena might be on to the Great Man
D. J. Dan also introduced a new theory called “The Great Man Theory,” which tries to explain history by the effect of "Great men," or heroes who are highly influential individuals, from personal charisma, genius intellects, or great political impact. This theory is often attributed to Thomas Carlyle.
He might also have been referring to this: According to LostPedia: Magnus Hanso's name gives us reason to suspect a link between Hanso and the DeGroots: through Albertus Magnus, the German philosopher. Interestingly, Magnus's surname is a Latin form of the surname de Groot (both mean "the great" in their respective languages: Latin & Dutch). Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, being the discoverer of the Philosopher's Stone (which would explain the Life Extension Project and the creator of a supernatural device).
Or Enzo Valenzetti, The Great?
Transcript:
“Christian: Yeah, tell me about it. What do you think of the rumors that Enzo Valenzetti himself may still be alive and well?
D. J. Dan: Well, you know, it’s interesting that you bring that up. I mean… do you think Valenzetti’s alive?
Christian: It’s possible. I mean, no one saw him die, no one saw him take a bullet.
D. J. Dan: It’s very interesting, you know, because Valenzetti has more death stories surrounding him than… well, I mean, I don’t know who. He’s like the Enrico Caruso (This comment makes no particular sense because Caruso does not have secrets or mystery or multiple death stories in his biography. He was, however, known as The Great Caruso, his name synonymous with greatness. Could be another reference to The Great Man. AC) of a, of a, of a, enigmatic Italian mathematicians. Let me tell you about Valenzetti, O.K., Valenzetti in the 60s was rumored to have died in a plane crash, alright. In a serious plane… He filed no flight plans, right? And somewhere over the Alpinees, boom, he’s dead, am I right?
Christian: You’re right.
D. J. Dan: However, fewer people know that there’s a theory that he died in the 1970s of leukemia. That’s right, and there’s another theory that in the 1980s, he was caught in the wheels of a combine in his farm on the Swiss Alps. So, I mean, so it’s quite possible that he’s still alive. In fact, the other conspiracy theory on Valenzetti is that he is still alive and he is working for the Italian government. What do you think about that?
Christian: Um, I haven’t heard that one before, that’s interesting…
D. J. Dan: You never heard that… The thing is, the Italian government put a gag order on every one of Enzo Valenzetti’s personal papers, they have actually have not allowed them out—so, I generally believe that Enzo Valenzetti at the ripe old age of 80-god-knows-how-many-years-old-he-is is sitting in some classroom in Italy, writing on a whiteboard, figuring out stuff like the end of the world, which I don’t know what they do with it… hell, if I dunno what I’d do if I knew when the end of the world is, I’d probably just get a lot of doughnuts…that’s what I would do, just me, and a bunch of Berliners. That’s right, me in a wall bunker with doughnuts. That’s me, Alright dude… You know what… thank you for your call… You know what? Now that we’ve talked a little about Valenzetti, everyone knows that Valenzetti is somehow linked with my sworn nemesis…
Announcer (Johnny): (Ominous music)The Hanso Foundation. (Electronic voice)
D.J. Dan certainly wants us to believe that Enzo Valenzetti is dead. So much so, that he invents a number of ways in which he could have been killed. Is this to make us think that Enzo is dead so that when he is revealed as alive later on we’ll all be totally taken by surprise? I don’t know if Enzo Valenzetti is dead or not and it may not be important at all to the flow of the story but I think D.J. Dan spent an awful long time explaining that Enzo was dead!
The Spider Protocol
D.J. Dan, while talking to Speaker (live) stated that the Spider Protocol could be a number of things: a) A boy band, b) an acronym, c) real spiders or d) Wild Wild West evil robot spider (that want to take over the world).
LostPedia says that The Spider Protocol is a classified project of the Hanso Foundation, seemingly being headed by Thomas Mittelwerk.
Perhaps this has something to do with it?
From: http://shemesh.larc.nasa.gov/fm/spider/
“The Scalable Processor-Independent Design for Extended Reliability (SPIDER)
This project supports NASA's research in Autonomous Robust Avionics (AuRA) as part of the Vehicle Systems Program.
NASA Langley has been developing advanced fault-tolerant computing systems for over three decades, including the Software-Implemented Fault Tolerance (SIFT,1981), The Fault-Tolerant Multiprocessor (FTMP, 1981), Integrated Airframe/Propulsion Control System Architecture (IAPSA) (1990), Advanced Information Processing System (AIPS, 1991), and an architecture for the Fly-By-Light/Power-By-Wire (FBL/PBW) program. Our most recent fault-tolerant architecture is SPIDER.”
From the Hanso Foundation Call Center we also know that Geronimo Jackson’s first album was called Magna Carta, which is an anagram for Anagram Act. One possible anagram of Spider Protocol is Psi Red Protocol, which relates back to Ergot (see earlier post regarding St. Anthony’s Fire). Hey, we’re not making this up! Ergot appears as a red powder in milled flour…that’s why contaminated white flour can be thrown out, but the stuff goes undetected in darker rye grinds. Later in the broadcast, D. J. Dan talks to Marvin the guy in dreamland with the glyph…”the only red dust Marvin’s ever touched was the quarter panel of his mom’s 1984 silver Chevy Impala.” Also, according to D. J. Dan the dangerous substance of the day was Parsley? Ergot, like parsley, is a common weed and one more likely to end up in a donut.
The Playlist
There were five songs played during the intermissions of the Live Broadcast (hmm, five phases?). They were: “Ohio” by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, “For What It's Worth” by Buffalo Springfield, “Imagine” by John Lennon, “Redemption Song" by Bob Marley and The Wailers and “Rainy Day Woman # 12 & 35” by Bob Dylan.
The songs represent, in order:
1. “Ohio” - Protest, Governmental Control, Politics and Military Madness (Kent State massacre) Release date: May 4, 1970
”Ohio” Lyrics
2. “For What It’s Worth” Buffalo Springfield (also referenced during the broadcast: The Other Springfield—referencing The Simpson’s). Protest and Paranoia. Released in 1966
”For What It’s Worth” Lyrics
3. “Imagine” - Reflection and Spiritualism (Lennon was quoted as saying it was an anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic song, but because it's sugar-coated, it's accepted.") Nutopia, Mind Games, Green Card. Release date: September 9th, 1971
”Imagine” Lyrics
4. “Redemption Song” - Emancipation, Spiritualism and Redemption. Released in 1980
”Redemption Song” Lyrics
5. “Rainy Day Woman # 12 & 35” – Protest, Alienation and, um according to Dylan, mathematics. Released in 1966
”Rainy Day Woman” Lyrics
It’s possible to interpret those songs as the soundtrack for the Dharma Initiative. During the 60s, they are university researchers involved in experimental work that perhaps came to the interest of the government. One of the Dharma members—perhaps their leader, maybe Valenzetti, disappears and foul play is suspected. Paranoid and fearful, the Dharma decide to leave the world behind and carry out their mission by building an utopian society. Unfortunately, they find a corporate sponsor--The Hanso Foundation or Widmore? Paik?—who are nothing but a bunch of old pirates who turn their own research against them. It’s a fact they find out too late, when they become the victims of their benefactors… and everybody ends up stoned…meaning, dead.
A Time Warp?
Transcript:
“Unseen Presence: How can a television show about Flight 815 start the same night that Flight 815 actually crashed?
D. J. Dan: Shutdown! Folks, folks, I'm talkin’ M. C. Esher. I'm talkin’ Albert Einstein. I'm talking about Schrodinger's Cat, O.K. If you got to ask that question, what do you not know about? I'll tell you what you don't know about, M. C. Esher, Albert Einstein, and Schrodinger's Cat, and if you don't know what I'm talkin’ about, you don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about, and we don't understand each other. Do we understand each other? Let’s, let’s get another call. I’ve had enough of this.”
…. And later this:
“D. J. Dan: That's right, folks, random acts of Shutdown, possibly my favorite segment in the world. Heck, I would even shut myself down if it wouldn't cause rips in the space-time continuum. Schro-...Schrodinger's cat, folks. Schrodinger's cat. Time Cop, folks. Rent it, watch it, learn the splits, alright? Guys, if you’re fans of mine, which I know you are, then you know the drill. Random acts of Shutdown, caller who last the longest wins, and you all know the rules. As crater faces the distant thunder road, the only rule is that there are no rules. Caller one!”
Albert Einstein – Theory of Relativity
Schrodinger’s Cat – Cat in a box paradox
M. C. Escher – Fantastical, impossible optical illusional artist
Who is Andy?
I think a slip-up occurred in the podcast that literally no one caught. In a spontaneous discussion with Speaker, D. J. Dan inadvertently called Speaker, Andy! I know some would say he was saying “and he” but I know what I heard. He said, without a doubt the name “Andy.” And there was familiarity and a certain amount of care evident in the inflection of his voice. But who is Andy? I am not familiar enough with the insiders of LOST or TPTB. But make no mistake… this is an absolute identification of Speaker!
Transcript:
“Speaker: Yeah, well, I uh… I…
D. J. Dan: Andy. Speaker, come on, come on, give it to me, give it to me… “
posted by The Alternative One at 9:57 PM
4 Comments:
Matt
Excellent! I thought I was the only one who caught this. Its great to know the identity of Speaker(and that there was a slip-up by D.J. Dan.)
The Alternative One
Matt
In all honesty I've not seen any discussion on Speakers identity on any of the boards. And why the amazement? I started my blog day one (or May 3rd) and have not missed a single day of game play.
The Alternative One
Matt
Thanks for checking in and hope you keep tabs on the AC because TLE is not over yet. I know I've stayed interested in the game by jumping off the glyph bus and delving into the mass of clue-filled material that seems to have attracted very little interest outside the this blog. And I've been lucky to find a like-minded puzzler in the Alternative. I am interested in why others haven't spent a little more curiosity on the clues they left behind? What do you think? I hope they're not waiting for TPTB to explain all. Doubt that will happen, but they have given us much more information than has been revealed. Just takes some looking into and a willingness to try to piece it together without a script.
Matt
Thanks again for keeping in touch. We really intend to stay until the very end of the Experience and Amelia Crater and I fully intend to continue our Theories blog here at the AC. This is where we really see results of our research and discussion and we hope to extend this into the episodes of LOST Season 3.
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